who watches the watchmen?

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ooo, it's been quiet here lately. has everyone seen this?

watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/

who wants to bet it will be better than dark knight?

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  • Re: who watches the watchmen?

    Mon, August 11, 2008 - 5:31 PM
    Better than DARK KNIGHT?? Doubtful, but since Zack Synder (300) is directing, it's going to be as good an adaptation that Watchmen could be given the time restrictions of converting Alan Moore's huge story to film. Really, DK is a hard one to beat and set a new standard for the genre, but I am really stoked to see WATCHMEN!
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      Thu, August 14, 2008 - 6:40 AM
      Honestly from what I've scene the story looks like it's scene for scene the same
      I think they are just cutting out the pirate sequences as they are really unnecessary. I mean The book isn't THAT long.

      Fenn
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        Thu, August 14, 2008 - 11:36 AM
        Yeah, once you cut out the shipwreck story within a story, the real story is not long at all. The first half is mostly flashbacks to the past. I think it will be really good. It won't be bigger than Dark Knight, only because nobody knows about the Watchmen outside us comic geeks. But it might still be a better movie!!

        david
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          Thu, August 14, 2008 - 12:20 PM
          no doubts that it will be better than dark knight, from my perspective. I love how true to the comic the trailer is. We thank the gods for CGI!
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            Re: who watches the watchmen?

            Fri, August 15, 2008 - 5:49 AM
            Not as much of this movie is CGI as you'd think
            I mean backgrounds past foreground buildings, and most bodies of water are. But the Owl Mobile (or what ever it was called) has actually been painstakingly recreated. As have the main streets and the prison.

            The kid who reads the comics however WILL be in the movie. I've seen stills with him in them lol.
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    Re: who watches the watchmen?

    Thu, August 14, 2008 - 11:27 PM
    Really? You liked the Dark Knight? I thought Ledger's take on Joker was interesting, but otherwise not a fan.

    Rich Johnston posted this in Lying in the Gutters last week:

    Brendon Connelly, good friend of the column and founder of Film Ick disagrees with the entire world and didn’t like “The Dark Knight." He tells us why. Nervous souls should look away now;

    I’m not really in the mood for writing film reviews at the moment, and this one didn’t even get started until today, the day of publication, yet, simply put, I felt that I really should write it. You see, not only did I find The Dark Knight to fall somewhat short of its hyped up reputation, I recognized it for what it truly was -- an honest to goodness piece of trash. Junk. Bilge. Garbage. Drivel. Hogwash. Indeed, it’s not entirely unlike Batman Begins, just even more over-extended.

    This is probably going to be read as a kill piece, so l might as well just go for it and make with the knife wounds in quick succession. Here is a heap of bullet points, each of them a serious fault in this godforsaken mess of a film -- but even in total only serving as an introduction to my criticisms. As I said, I don’t want to spend all day on this, I just think there needs to be some sense spoken about this ridiculous film. I’ll keep each flavour criticism to a single example.

    * The dialogue is excruciating, pretty much top to bottom. For one thing, it is laden with countless slabs of pointless exposition -- for example: a shot of a mobile phone inside a man’s skin is effectively titled by the line “It’s a mobile phone". And it keeps happening. This film spells out so many of it’s images it often feels more like an episode of Dick Barton than, say, a good Batman film (you know -- like the one from the 60s, or the two Burton made).

    * Great wedges of this dialogue are heaped into tiresome “refresher scenes" -- for example, the press conference -- in which the would-be subtext is spelled out for us, effectively rendered text. Sub, sure -- but not subtext. Just sub-par.

    * And the clichés in the dialogue and delivery were sometimes beyond insulting -- listen to the entire bank robbery sequence for a microcosm of how tin eared the Nolan brothers have proven to be.

    * Nolan doesn’t have the first idea how to film cinematic space. The action scenes are jumbled in the extreme and there’s any number of problems in even the dialogue sequences. Watch the interrogation room sequence with Big Ears and the clown -- hideous. Even worse is the dangling Joker scene, in which he’s been flipped the right way up. Thinking for a moment about the processes by which we read and interpret images on the screen, this sequence is so disconcerting for the mind of the viewer, and to no useful end, that I have no idea how or why Nolan and his cronies came up with it.

    * The whole IMAX scenes farrago is fuel for a dozen bullet points in itself but, suffice to say, Nolan is not up to the task of composing images in multiple aspect ratios simultaneously. Why this has gone unreported, I have no idea but I’ll kick in. Nolan pretends to have composed images in IMAX that work perfectly for the purpose of the shot needed at that moment -- and then, that a scope-shaped slice can be taken out and that will work just as well. More stupidly still, the image is to be recomposed again for the eventual Blu-Ray release. Masterful image composition is not about point-and-shoot, nor is it about making pretty pictures -- it is about balancing the elements of the frame to create the desired relationships between them and the most effective emotional or psychological effect on the viewer. If you reckon Nolan can do this thrice in a single shot set-up then you’re either incredibly gullible or don’t understand the issue in the slightest.

    * And that’s saying nothing of the sideshow gimmick of the IMAX version cutting to a different aspect ratio anyway. Not the choice of a filmmaker looking to immerse his audience in a hermetic and fully dimensional diegesis.

    * The plot makes little sense for most of the time, and no sense at all at several junctures. The Joker seems capable of accomplishing incredible feats in incredibly short spaces of time, for one thing -- though I can swing with that, to a degree - but there are any number of holes, Batman leaving a penthouse full of innocents with the Joker and his cronies being one particularly disturbing example.

    * The technology is somewhat reminiscent of CSI, from the bullet reconstruction to the city-wide Sonar scanner. And that is, I think, about the harshest damnation I can pour on any scene revolving around scientific principles without evoking Heroes.

    * The anti-Chinese drive is head-shakingly pathetic if not outright offensive (the mention of buying American in the courtroom scene pushes it beyond an incidental factor of the Hong Kong gangster plotline).

    * This film does not take place in any kind of universe where dressing up as a Bat and putting on a hilariously silly voice makes even a drop of sense (unless as an adolescent power fantasy, which for many viewers I suppose it is). Indeed, much of the film does not belong in the world Nolan seems desperate to ground it in, particularly the biological details of Two Face’s disfigurement. All of this could have seemed at home in a universe that played by these rules -- another lesson to be learnt from the Burton films.

    * The “tension inducing" soundtrack is crassly simplistic.

    Essentially, what I’m saying is that The Dark Knight is, almost without exception, a series of incredibly bad filmmaking choices strung together over an unbearable running time. About as far from a masterpiece as I’ve seen in the cinemas in a couple of years at least. On the other hand, I think Gary Oldman was incredible and Eckhart, Ledger and just Gyllenhaal fine. I look forward to their next projects -- Ledger’s in particular -- with keen anticipation.

    • Re: who watches the watchmen?

      Fri, August 15, 2008 - 6:37 AM
      Cannot agree with ANY of the above. DARK KNIGHT set a new standard for superhero films and elevated the genre to the point where it works as a film that has nothing to do with superheroes. In that regard I mean, that I would watch the academy awards very closely in April.
      I'm sorry, but any anti-DK backlash is just the result of human psychology at work where after we build up our favorites, we need to somewhat tear them down. DK had a rich plot, excellent characterization, and showed that people's choices both good and bad had consequences. Chris Nolan eschewed CGI heavy filmmaking and based the film in a more reality styled setting, which brought a sense of "this can really happen" to a fantasy film.
      Ledger as the Joker made physial choices that is consistent with very specific types of mental disorders that anyone dressed as the Joker would be afflicted with. In fact, ALL the actors brought their A-game.
      Like I said, this is just typical. Once something that is SO good gets so successful, people need to tear it down. As for WATCHMEN, I'm thoroughly prepared to love it because I have faith in director Zack Synder, but to be homest, I DON'T like the amount of CG I've seen in the previews, but I'm not going to judge anything until the film is out because trailers can be misleading. I have plenty of faith WATCHMEN will be great, but better than DK? Don't think so.
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      Re: who watches the watchmen?

      Mon, August 18, 2008 - 8:06 AM
      Dark Knight was probably the best super hero film made to date (besides Mystery Men of course!). It even explored the whole concept of super heroes, why we would have these costumed vigilantes running around in the first place. Christian Bale was perhaps the weakest link, but it didn't matter. The script, directing, and supporting cast were all brilliant.
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        Mon, August 18, 2008 - 6:49 PM
        Mystery Men?

        Bwah - hahaha!
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          Re: who watches the watchmen?

          Tue, August 19, 2008 - 3:47 AM
          I do some what agree with Magic. While it was a very good film and I enjoyed it after the 2 hour mark I did notice it start to drag. I also found Bale's performance as the bat more uneven than last time as he was forced to put on the play boy bruce wayne and gruffly voiced batman more which takes away from his actual skills as an actor.
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            Tue, August 19, 2008 - 3:57 AM
            Really? I didn't know he had been asked to do that (change his voice). I agree with you that both his Bruce Wayne and his Batman personas seemed different this time around. A few people in the audience chuckled when he used his Batman voice. I think that a tighter edit would have made a lot of difference.
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              Tue, August 19, 2008 - 3:58 AM
              if they were gonna change his voice
              they should have used a voice modulator
              but I thought when he was just regular bruce wayne he shined
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                Re: who watches the watchmen?

                Tue, August 19, 2008 - 4:00 AM
                Yeah, you're right - or they could have given him a throat lozenge ;)
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                  Tue, August 19, 2008 - 6:29 AM
                  Bale intentionally changed his voiced, and there was some deepining in post production. As for the film's length, I look at it this way: They gave enough time to finish all plot points so that everything was brought to a satisfying conclusion. Considering that it's three years between films, the long running time I fel was a good thing because it gave us more for the wait. Also, I don't think anything dragged because every scene shot for that film was needed, so I don't think a "tighter edit" was either necessary or possible. I felt I got alot of Batman, and worth the time and money.
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                    Re: who watches the watchmen?

                    Tue, August 19, 2008 - 6:34 AM
                    Thanks Warrior, I like to know what you think. I'm positive that it's a great movie for the darker, grittier Batman that he's evolved into. I think I've learnt that I'm just more into the colourful superheroes like Superman and Wonder Woman ;)
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                      Tue, August 19, 2008 - 6:39 AM
                      Hey Magic, nothing wrong with your tastes in heroes. I love Supes and Wonder too, and I don't expect the same type of story for them. I see Superman as a roller caoster spectacle of a superhero. We should watch in amazement and have fun. Wonder Woman is more serious; a fighter. Think "Gladiator."
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    Re: who watches the watchmen?

    Mon, August 18, 2008 - 8:15 AM
    I'm almost scared to say this after reading the rest of the comments but I was bored by The Dark Knight. To me it felt longer than it's running time and I was glad when it was over. It's probably worth mentioning that I haven't watched Batman Begins again. I found them to be 'serious' superhero films so I guess I like my superheroes to have a bit of fun about them.

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